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Malaysian tourism minister Mohamaddin Ketapi claims no gay people exist in the country

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13 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 1:05:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
Malaysia‘s tourism minister has claimed there are no gay people in the southeast Asian country.

Mohamaddin Ketapi was speaking to reporters ahead of the ITB Berlin tourism fair when he was asked whether homosexual people were welcome in his country.

“I don’t think we have anything like that in our country,” he replied, according to German newspaper Deutsche Welle.

He had previously sidestepped a question on whether the country was safe for Jewish and LGBT+ visitors.

An aide later told news site Malaysiakini the minister’s statement was his own personal views, but said it was in line with the Malaysian government’s official policy, which does not recognise the LGBT+ community.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...
13 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 1:07:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
Not a smart way to promote tourism for Malaysia. He's missing out on a lot of gay tourism money...
13 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 2:28:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
(Not from the article)
“There are currently 72 countries worldwide that criminalise same-sex relationships, including 45 where sexual relationships between women are also illegal. In eight countries, the death penalty is a potential punishment, while homosexuality can result in jail time in many others.”


countries to avoid if you are part of the lgbt+ community

This list was compiled from insurance companies.
13 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 3:13:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 3/7/19 - 2:28:22 PM Abzurd wrote:
(Not from the article) “There are currently 72 countries worldwide that criminalise same-sex relationships, including 45 where sexual relationships between women are also illegal. In eight countries, the death penalty is a potential punishment, while homosexuality can result in jail time in many others.” [link] This list was compiled from insurance companies.

They really need to have a higher resolution, interactive map at that. I'd be happy to make it for them.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 3:43:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
The article that Abz posted cracks me up with their comment 'And with Donald Trump as president, it might be considered unsafe for a transgender person to travel to the USA '.

After talking about countries where homosexuality is illegal, and punishable by death, Trump keeping transgender people out of the military really doesn't seem to compare from the standpoint of being a threat to safety...
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 3:46:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
Not just the military. "Bathroom bills" pose real risk to trans people's safety.

The Trump administration is also trying to essentially define trans people out of existence , which has far-reaching consequences.

I would not be surprised at all if trans people from other countries considered it too risky to travel here.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 3:49:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
Also, some of the countries where being gay is severely punished are the fault of American evangelicals traveling there and converting people to their hateful brand of anti-LGBT Christianity. Uganda is an example of this, I believe.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 3:54:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
The military is the example given by the article. Again, I don't see it as being at all comparable to countries where being gay can get a person thrown into prison and/or executed.


12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 3:57:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 3/7/19 - 3:49:03 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Also, some of the countries where being gay is severely punished are the fault of American evangelicals traveling there and converting people to their hateful brand of anti-LGBT Christianity. Uganda is an example of this, I believe.


Yup. Pastor Scott Lively is at the forefront of those efforts. Lively and other American evangelicals have organized conferences where African ministers preach that gay people recruit straight people in an attempt to turn them gay and that homosexuality leads to pedophilia and beastiality.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 4:07:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
Hey dumb dumb, you do have "things like that" in your country.

More big Malaysian fans across the pond. Saw this today and twitched a bit at the chanting kids part.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 4:41:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 3/7/19 - 3:43:45 PM CowDung wrote:
The article that Abz posted cracks me up with their comment 'And with Donald Trump as president, it might be considered unsafe for a transgender person to travel to the USA '. After talking about countries where homosexuality is illegal, and punishable by death, Trump keeping transgender people out of the military really doesn't seem to compare from the standpoint of being a threat to safety...

That's why your country is in purple. They don't make the equivalence.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 4:48:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 3/7/19 - 3:43:45 PM CowDung wrote:
The article that Abz posted cracks me up with their comment 'And with Donald Trump as president, it might be considered unsafe for a transgender person to travel to the USA '. After talking about countries where homosexuality is illegal, and punishable by death, Trump keeping transgender people out of the military really doesn't seem to compare from the standpoint of being a threat to safety...
On Thursday 3/7/19 - 4:41:56 PM Abzurd wrote:
That's why your country is in purple. They don't make the equivalence.


The end of the article seems to try when they talk about the US being unsafe despite the purple coloring...

12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 4:50:57 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 3/7/19 - 3:43:45 PM CowDung wrote:
The article that Abz posted cracks me up with their comment 'And with Donald Trump as president, it might be considered unsafe for a transgender person to travel to the USA '. After talking about countries where homosexuality is illegal, and punishable by death, Trump keeping transgender people out of the military really doesn't seem to compare from the standpoint of being a threat to safety...
On Thursday 3/7/19 - 4:41:56 PM Abzurd wrote:
That's why your country is in purple. They don't make the equivalence.
On Thursday 3/7/19 - 4:48:16 PM CowDung wrote:
The end of the article seems to try when they talk about the US being unsafe despite the purple coloring...

I take it more as a "however"...
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 5:17:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
If you think the US is 100% as safe for trans people as it is for cis people, I just have to assume you don't know any, tbh.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 8:02:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 3/7/19 - 5:17:53 PM birdsong4j wrote:
If you think the US is 100% as safe for trans people as it is for cis people, I just have to assume you don't know any, tbh.


I don't think anyone is trying to make that claim...
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 8:15:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
You seem to be questioning the mention of the US as a potentially dangerous place to travel, though.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 8:40:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes. I don't think the US presents anywhere near the level of danger of the other countries talked about in the article.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 8:52:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
And neither does the article. The U.S. is in purple, not red or orange. But it's certainly worth noting that the current administration is significantly less friendly toward the LGBT (particularly T) community.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 9:00:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
It isn't really worth noting when one considers the purpose of the article. There isn't a significant risk of danger to travelers visiting the US.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 9:01:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, it is. The US sees a lot of tourism, and people need to know that the current climate is not necessarily that friendly.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 9:03:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's fear mongering. Mentioning it makes the danger sound far more significant and common than it actually is.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 9:09:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, it's not "fear mongering," your go-to phrase for whenever you don't like someone criticizing the administration.

They want to define trans people out of existence. They have rolled back protections that were put in place under Obama. And just generally, there is significant hostility against transgender people in this country. People have been murdered for being trans. Religious bigots make it their mission to demonize LGBT+ people in this country. Some straight cis dude saying "it's not that dangerous" doesn't make it so.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 9:13:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
Seriously, you are the epitome of privileged-ass people who aren't negatively affected by this administration's actions, saying it can't be all that bad for other people (whose lives and struggles you know nothing about).

Maybe someday, you'll actually listen to the concerns of marginalized communities when they speak, but I sort of doubt it. That's just not the kind of person you are.
12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 9:20:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, 28 people were murdered for being trans last year.

I don't consider that number as an indication that there is significant danger for T people traveling to the US.

12 days ago - Thursday 3/7/19 - 9:23:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
...but feel free to be dramatic and overstate the dangers so that you can take a shot at the Trump administration.

Incidentally, there were 22 people murdered in 2015 for being trans- - before Trump took office.

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