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Woman sentenced to 15 months in texting suicide case

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5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 12:20:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
Michelle Carter, whose own words helped seal her involuntary manslaughter conviction in the suicide of her teenage boyfriend, was sentenced to 15 months in a Massachusetts jail.

Conrad Roy III was having second thoughts. The 18-year-old had been planning to kill himself, to sit inside his truck while it filled with carbon monoxide, but he wasn't sure if he could go through with it. In a series of insistent text messages, his 17-year-old girlfriend convinced him to follow through.

"You can't think about it. You just have to do it," Michelle Carter wrote. And, after he got out of his truck, she texted him to "get back in."

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/us/m...
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 12:21:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
Carter sent Roy numerous text messages urging him to commit suicide, listened over the phone as he suffocated - - and failed to alert authorities or his family that he'd died.
"This court has found that Carter's actions and failure to act where it was her self-created duty to Roy since she put him in that toxic environment constituted reckless conduct," the judge said. "The court finds that the conduct caused the death of Mr. Roy."

The case could spur the Massachusetts legislature to pass a law that makes it a crime to engage in "coercing or encouraging suicide," Medwed said. Such a law already exist in about 40 other states.
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:02:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
15 months? That’s it? The least she should’ve gotten is 5 years.
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:08:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:02:21 PM Noldor wrote:
15 months? That’s it? The least she should’ve gotten is 5 years.


She was a minor at the time of the crime. The juvenile system, for good reason, has an emphasis on rehabilitation (one that the adult system could really benefit from modeling, tbh).
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:17:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'd think she would belong in a facility for the criminally insane not in a prison. Can't imagine anyone encouraging another human to commit suicide and listen to him asphyxiate over the phone. Let alone a current significant other. That's pretty warped.
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:27:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
This whole case is confusing. I just can't figure out her motivation. In the first texts she's encouraging him to get help and pleading with him not to hurt himself. Then 2 weeks later she's calling him a p*ssy for hesitating about kill himself. What changed?

If she really thought he was suffering and that this was the only way to end that, I would have some sympathy, but this feels more like she got tired of putting up with his sh*t. But even then she could have just broken up with him and stopped talking to him. He might still have killed himself but there's a chance he wouldn't.

The prosecution said she did it for attention and I guess she's got plenty of that now.
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:36:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:17:58 PM postallbear wrote:
I'd think she would belong in a facility for the criminally insane not in a prison. Can't imagine anyone encouraging another human to commit suicide and listen to him asphyxiate over the phone. Let alone a current significant other. That's pretty warped.


Almost Kevorkian-like...
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:40:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
There is nothing remotely Kevorkian-like about what she did.
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:41:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
My first thought was this is terrible. But is suicide a crime? Do dead people serve prison time? If not should someone be prosecuted? This case seems pretty clear but I wonder how far this will go. People say all kinds of awful things when angry and upset including "I hope you die" but don't mean it.
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:47:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:40:36 PM birdsong4j wrote:
There is nothing remotely Kevorkian-like about what she did.


If you ignore her role in helping him commit suicide...
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:56:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
Encouraging suicide can constitute manslaughter

In 1961, a Massachusetts man was convicted of involuntary manslaughter after encouraging and helping his wife to commit suicide.

After he told her that he was going to obtain a divorce, she threatened suicide. He said she had tried twice before and was too “chicken”, then told her to get a rifle they owned, loaded it for her and told her how to position it so she could shoot herself. She did so, killing herself, and he was convicted of manslaughter.

http://masscases.com/cases/sjc/343/...
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:57:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
Why are you like this?

She did not assist anyone in dying, much less painlessly and with dignity. Kevorkian did.

She DID push someone who was clearly not fully committed to the idea of suicide to do it anyway. Kevorkian notably did NOT do this, and only assisted patients with dying who had already expressed clear wishes to control the timeline of their (imminent) deaths.
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 2:12:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
At times the messages seem like a fight where one person threatens to kill themself and the other basically dares them to because they think they're bluffing and are sick of dealing with it. But then at other times she is reassuring him and saying she'll support his family and everyone will get over it and be happy he's at peace. Like she's saying whatever she needs to to get him to do it. Almost like she's getting some gholish enjoyment from it like those people on reddit that just watch videos of people dying.

And then there's this:

Carter: "You just need to do it Conrad or I'm gonna get you help"

Seriously? Getting help for him is your second option, after suicide?
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 3:11:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
Hmmm..
A physician assisting a terminally ill person to die with dignity. Cutting a couple months of suffering off the end of someone's life.

Or..

A young healthy person encouraging another one to cut 70 years off his life for whatever reason the teenager was having difficulty. Even going as far as egging him on, telling him to get back in the vehicle and listening to him asphyxiate without getting assistance.

Yeah, that's about as similar as apples and water buffalo. I can't even go with apples and oranges which are both fruit.

5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 3:44:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:17:58 PM postallbear wrote:
I'd think she would belong in a facility for the criminally insane not in a prison. Can't imagine anyone encouraging another human to commit suicide and listen to him asphyxiate over the phone. Let alone a current significant other. That's pretty warped.
On Tuesday 2/12/19 - 1:36:27 PM CowDung wrote:
Almost Kevorkian-like...


That's one of the dumbest comments I've seen you make on this site.
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 4:13:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm ambivalent about this case. Didn't she prevent him from committing suicide for several months before getting fed up with it?
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 4:24:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
Reading the headline I thought, "that's a bit much", but the fact that she egged him on and listened to him do the deed changes things.
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 6:04:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 2/12/19 - 4:13:35 PM Abzurd wrote:
I'm ambivalent about this case. Didn't she prevent him from committing suicide for several months before getting fed up with it?


She could have cut off contact with him if she were "fed up with it" rather than encourage him to actually do it and be witness to it.
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 8:10:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
And tell him to get back in the vehicle..
And not call 911..
And if he had been at this for a while, why not report it to authorities long before?

I totally get not wanting to deal with someone else's bs drama but if that's your goal, block his number, call suicide prevention on his behalf and give them his information, get a restraining order if necessary.
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 8:15:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yeah, "oh well, I tried" is fine IF that's where your involvement stops. Even if she had just blocked his # and not taken any steps like calling his parents or the authorities, it wouldn't have been criminal. What she did went so far beyond passive non-intervention, though.
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 8:24:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
There is one detail I'd ask. Did he threaten her? Lots of mentally ill people kill their significant other before killing themselves.

Even if that was the case, her response should have been to call police for help not to encourage him to commit suicide and listen like some sicko.
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 8:30:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
Nothing I've seen about this story mentioned any threats to her. And her encouraging him to kill himself went on for days and days, while he waffled back and forth about whether or not to do it. She even gave him a lot of ideas about specifically how, where, and when to do it (CO poisoning, in an empty parking lot, while everybody was asleep).
5 days ago - Tuesday 2/12/19 - 8:50:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yeah if you read thru the messages, it really doesn't seem like she was being threatened:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/08/us/t...

And she threatened to get him help if he DIDN'T try to kill himself so she clearly had thought about getting help. Which is extra bizarre because just 1 month earlier she was begging him to get help.
4 days ago - Wednesday 2/13/19 - 8:59:47 AM EST (GMT-5)
She seems sociopathic as f*ck [disclaimer: not a doctor]. I'm not sure jail is even right. Some sort of mental/behavioural rehabilitation would seem to be appropriate.

I mean. That's clinical levels of empathy bypass.



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