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Trump VI: Return Of The Trump

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1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 12:00:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/29/19 - 4:21:52 AM CuckingFunt wrote:
You guys saw that speech, right?

He's used this a couple of times. I'm pretty sure he saw the coverage it got ( because it makes him look like the complete and utter buffoon that he is ) and he's made it a recurring bit in his schtick.

It's also possible he has a grudge against wind energy because of the fit he threw in Scotland over turbines near his golf course. But ya know, we should just trust the judgement of the dude who may not be making decisions based on logic, but rather on his own interests and perceived slights against him.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 1:33:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
The wind blows quite frequently in the desert southwest and I can't recall a time that I've seen a field of those large turbines that weren't actively turning.

Does el presidente believe that people who have solar panels on their house don't have electricity at night? The sun isn't out at night, after all.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 1:36:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
Don't be silly Rag- - people sleep at night so they don't need electricity...
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 1:44:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/29/19 - 1:36:25 PM CowDung wrote:
Don't be silly Rag- - people sleep at night so they don't need electricity...

But..but..but then I'd wake up with room temperature beer.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 2:07:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/29/19 - 1:33:10 PM Rag_Doll_ wrote:
The wind blows quite frequently in the desert southwest and I can't recall a time that I've seen a field of those large turbines that weren't actively turning. Does el presidente believe that people who have solar panels on their house don't have electricity at night? The sun isn't out at night, after all.

Actually they will not have power at night unless they buy a battery to store their unused power. They usually use power from the grid at night like everybody else.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 2:11:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
Batteries are good for locations that have frequent blackouts.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 2:12:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
It’s also nice to have in case some catastrophe hits your neighborhood.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 2:37:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 3/27/19 - 8:07:59 PM birdsong4j wrote:
A federal judge has struck down the Trump administration's approval of Medicaid work requirements in the two states that requested them (AR and KY): [link] [link] This is the second time the KY one has been struck down by courts. The judge said Sec. Azar did not consider the impact on health care coverage of enrollees when implementing the requirements. This is actually a big deal, and a huge defeat for the Trump administration in their fight to take health care from as many people as possible.


I am on the fence on this one. Illinois had a pilot program on placing medicaid recipients with businesses. Where I work, we agreed to 5 people. They did really great and were very thankful they go the experience. I don't know if they would have got this opportunity without the work program.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 2:47:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
There's nothing inherent there that requires this be the way to achieve that.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 2:48:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
Work requirement programs are antithetical to the purpose of Medicaid, which is to provide health care to those who would not otherwise be able to afford it. A work placement program is NOT the same thing as a work requirement for Medicaid.

In addition, the requirements as written in these states were onerous for recipients, to the point that people were losing their coverage simply for not understanding the process. Implementing these programs was not an attempt to improve people's lives; it was a naked attempt to kick people off Medicaid rolls, and the court decisions lay all that out.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 2:57:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/29/19 - 2:48:21 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Work requirement programs are antithetical to the purpose of Medicaid, which is to provide health care to those who would not otherwise be able to afford it. A work placement program is NOT the same thing as a work requirement for Medicaid. In addition, the requirements as written in these states were onerous for recipients, to the point that people were losing their coverage simply for not understanding the process. Implementing these programs was not an attempt to improve people's lives; it was a naked attempt to kick people off Medicaid rolls, and the court decisions lay all that out.

Ya know. If the poor would just stop being poor we wouldn't even have this problem. Have they ever even thought of that? Just. Stop being poor. BOOM. Problem solved.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 3:00:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/29/19 - 2:47:49 PM Spoonerism wrote:
There's nothing inherent there that requires this be the way to achieve that.


It was an opportunity that they might not have had. I was told it was because of the success of a program called Earnfare where people had to work a certain number of hours to continue to receive food stamps.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 3:03:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
But you're not grasping what Spoonerism is saying.

If the state wanted to have a job placement program for people who got SNAP benefits, they could just...have that, instead of tying it to a requirement that recipients work a certain number of hours in order to continue receiving help buying the food they need to survive.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 3:14:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
And all I was saying is the person that worked with me that was on medicaid said she would not have participated in the program unless pushed.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 3:22:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
Health care should not hinge on a person's employment. That's where we went wrong in the first place with employer provided private insurance.
But also the logistics of this sort of requirement are nonsense. It is wrong to assume that everybody has a way to get to and from work, or to cover childcare.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 3:26:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/29/19 - 3:14:25 PM skirtgirl2 wrote:
And all I was saying is the person that worked with me that was on medicaid said she would not have participated in the program unless pushed.


This is different from what you said in your other two posts, which was that it was "an opportunity they may not have gotten."
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 3:30:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
I agree. The HHS coordinator told me that most people that can work do because they need the money and they receive supportive services such as childcare and transportation. But there is a population (at least in Chicago) that are able to work but choose not to and that is where they targeted.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 3:40:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/29/19 - 3:14:25 PM skirtgirl2 wrote:
And all I was saying is the person that worked with me that was on medicaid said she would not have participated in the program unless pushed.
On Friday 3/29/19 - 3:26:49 PM birdsong4j wrote:
This is different from what you said in your other two posts, which was that it was "an opportunity they may not have gotten."


I don't know if our business would have participated or not without knowing the participants had an incentive to complete the training.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 3:51:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
Still, whether YOUR business participates or not, the program could certainly exist without the Medicaid work requirements. Plenty of businesses would be happy to take on workers from programs like that. Especially because, when I looked up Earnfare, the business is getting essentially free labor at first (the person "works off" the amount of their SNAP benefit), and after that, they only have to pay the worker minimum wage.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 4:00:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
A government that rules on the principal that people need to be "pushed" is overly authoritarian.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 4:20:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
tbh, aside from the obvious problems inherent in work requirements for food assistance, Earnfare sounds absolutely terrible for the participants.

A program where
1. the person working makes $0 until they "pay off" their benefit from a social safety net that's designed to help those who can't afford to eat
2. Their time when accounting for whether they've "paid off" this amount is valued at minimum wage, regardless of what work they perform
3. even after they work enough hours to actually get paid cash, the employer still only has to pay them minimum wage
4. They can earn a *maximum* of about $300 in actual cash per month

Sounds a lot more like a source of massively undercompensated labor for participating employers to me.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 4:21:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
A possible alternative view asks is it really helping someone by keeping them in poverty or living in public housing? Generations live in public housing and receive public assistance. The person that worked with me, her mother and grandmother still lives in public housing. Are we helping or hurting by enabling them?

Should a person that refuses to obtain the necessary training and take advantage of the many supportive services offer by the government still receive public assistance?
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 4:22:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
A democratic President, Bill Clinton signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act in 1996 which gave states more control to require recipients to work and a life time cap of benefits.

I can only state from my limited personal experience that requirements may be helpful for some people that receive government supportive services
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 4:23:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/29/19 - 4:21:03 PM skirtgirl2 wrote:
A possible alternative view asks is it really helping someone by keeping them in poverty or living in public housing? Generations live in public housing and receive public assistance.


Yes, it is really helping people to give them assistance so that they can afford to live inside and eat people food, as opposed to being homeless and digging through dumpsters for scraps.

And "generations live in public housing and receive assistance" is a true statement that ignores the systemic problems that have existed for centuries and led to that situation being the current reality for people.
1 month ago - Friday 3/29/19 - 4:25:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/29/19 - 4:22:46 PM skirtgirl2 wrote:
A democratic President, Bill Clinton signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act in 1996 which gave states more control to require recipients to work and a life time cap of benefits. I can only state from my limited personal experience that requirements may be helpful for some people that receive government supportive services


If you want to get into the MANY MANY issues with welfare 'reform' of the '90s, 1. that's a whole other thread, and 2. I can point you toward some reading, if you want, that would help you gain a better understanding than just your limited personal experience/anecdotes.

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