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Trump VI: Return Of The Trump

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4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 1:17:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 12/25/18 - 11:50:28 AM Courtbebe wrote:
It’s a stupid solution thought up by an ego maniac and supported by simple-minded idiots.


While the Left likes to frame it as suchThe idea of a border wall is not Trump's...
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 1:19:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 12/25/18 - 7:40:36 AM Kepi wrote:
Even more so, all you need is a freaking tunnel and you've circumvented the utility of the wall. And they literally already have those. Plus, there's lots of trade between Mexico and the US, and people, like drugs, come through those lanes all the time by the truckload and nobody has the resources to monitor all that.


If they are capable of digging a tunnel more than 10 feet below ground to get under the wall, perhaps they deserve to be in the country...
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 1:46:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
its Christmas and i am having a sh@t so keeping it brief.

noldor is absolutely right to defend the USA pulling troops out the reigon. the so callee left shoukdnt be supporting wars in coubtries and areas tge USA doesnt understand. there may have been a small liberal revolt against,assad back in the day but the political territory in syria is very different now.

trump may be an egotisticsl knobhead bur sometimes his naiivity helps him stumble onto the correct policy.

the kurds have always been doomed. turkey one of americas fine allies has had their number for years. if the USA really cared they would be issuing visas to get those people thehellout of there. but they wont. of course they wont. the kurds have been betrayed over and over again and they had no hope of statehood this time either. plus turkey will have to be appeased for many years to come to hide the saudi dirt.
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 2:12:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
Oh f*ck you. It was more than a "small liberal revolt" and if it hadn't been for foreign intervention the regime would have fallen. Being cynical and angry about the US withdrawal is not the same as mourning it.
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 2:41:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 12/25/18 - 7:40:36 AM Kepi wrote:
Even more so, all you need is a freaking tunnel and you've circumvented the utility of the wall. And they literally already have those. Plus, there's lots of trade between Mexico and the US, and people, like drugs, come through those lanes all the time by the truckload and nobody has the resources to monitor all that.
On Tuesday 12/25/18 - 1:19:50 PM CowDung wrote:
If they are capable of digging a tunnel more than 10 feet below ground to get under the wall, perhaps they deserve to be in the country...


Actually what you're doing is promoting the interests of people who have a moneyed and therefore criminal interest in circumventing the border. Drug runners, coyotes, and sex traffickers, which are exactly the sorts of people we want to shut down.

Like I'm neither a free trade or open borders guy,
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 2:41:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
but there's a right and wrong way to do the job, and a wall is exactly the wrong way.
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 2:48:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 12/25/18 - 11:50:28 AM Courtbebe wrote:
Existing border walls have also be devastating to endangered animal populations in that area, including wolves, jaguars, ocelots, etc.


Yeah, I'm not major league animal rights guy, but fxcking with ocelots is exactly the wrong move.
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 3:18:12 PM EST (GMT-5)

On Saturday 12/22/18 - 6:55:11 PM CowDung wrote:
They probably will- - but it's a lot easier (and effective) to patrol those few smaller areas than to patrol the entire border.



On Monday 12/24/18 - 12:00:00 PM CowDung wrote:
I'm not going to quantify it because I didn't make the statement about having a wall only in the 'busiest places'.


On Tuesday 12/25/18 - 4:38:29 AM Boredofu wrote "Having a wall" would just motivate the focus to shift somewhere else. Somewhere unknown and without a wall.
On Tuesday 12/25/18 - 1:16:45 PM CowDung wrote:
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying, although it's not so much unknown when the presence of a wall eliminates some of the possibilities.


So "few smaller areas" to "unquantifiable" to "some"


4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 3:28:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
CD dances on a spider's web while saying absolutely nothing. Yet still manages to fill 4 pages of Bullsh*t.

Mobile patrols over 2000 miles of border shifting from place to place while the known crossing points are barricaded by immovable obstacles. How much would it cost to move border patrols along a 2000 mile route, maintaining infrastructure and personnel the entire distance? Assuming a few places is less than more. Not having a wall in 20-30% of the distance is scant saving if fails to stop the majority of migrants. Surely it would make more sense to build a wall in the most remote places and concentrate the border patrols in the busiest places. Then the border forces can work from one location in an area they are familiar with, without burning petrol running around the outback and being paid to live in the field while trying to second guess the migrants' every move.
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 4:09:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
An 8 year old migrant boy died in US custody today.
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 5:04:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 12/25/18 - 3:28:16 PM Boredofu wrote:
CD dances on a spider's web while saying absolutely nothing. Yet still manages to fill 4 pages of Bullsh*t. ...Surely it would make more sense to build a wall in the most remote places and concentrate the border patrols in the busiest places. Then the border forces can work from one location in an area they are familiar with, without burning petrol running around the outback and being paid to live in the field while trying to second guess the migrants' every move.


Yep- - that would be fine. I see no reason to limit the wall to only 'busy places'. The more wall, the fewer areas left open to patrol. Geographical features will likely determine the places where a wall is built or not.


4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 5:34:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 12/24/18 - 8:26:31 PM Noldor wrote:
a) They worry that Isis will grow and influence the entire country and will team up with Iran for World Domination. They live on paranoia. b) - I don't want American blood spilt on a war that I feel has little to do with American security. I don't think Isis is that big a threat to the USA. We will never completely be free of radical Islamists like Isis. We would have to keep fighting them forever.

Interesting, that you find all the experts are paranoid while your President who has 1) no knowledge of international affairs (as far as we all could see) and 2) appears to be the most paranoid person in todays politics as he constantly discovers new enemies (mostly the entities you used to call "partners" in times gone by) is - in your view - the only chilled out guy who relly knows what's going on.
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 5:34:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
However, b) really surprises me as I think I can recall you being a great supporter of the US invasion of Iraq (you know, WMD and all that). How come you've changed your mind in such a profound way?
I think according to your new catalogue of criteria the US wouldn't even have enterd WWI or II (European theater) ...
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 6:01:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
CD still manages to fill another post with absolutely nothing.

Down from building a wall with a few gaps to oh well whatever. Anything will do as long as there is some symbolic effort towards having a wall. Don't expect any details that might prove awkward later on. Just more endless waffle.
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 6:11:20 PM EST (GMT-5)

4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 8:44:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
So you think having no wall is more effective in stopping illegal immigration and smuggling?
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 10:37:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 12/25/18 - 5:34:34 PM Matthias wrote:
However, b) really surprises me as I think I can recall you being a great supporter of the US invasion of Iraq (you know, WMD and all that). How come you've changed your mind in such a profound way? I think according to your new catalogue of criteria the US wouldn't even have enterd WWI or II (European theater) ...

The USA did not send troops to Europe until Pearl Harbor happened and Hitler declared war on the USA. Of course, later the USA was criticized for not entering sooner. I think it’s ok to send troops to allied friendly nations. But we just don’t have the power or necessity to send troops everywhere in the world.
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 10:47:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
As far as Iraq goes: The first Gulf war was to defend Kuwait. If we hadn’t done that, Iraq and Saddam would’ve become much more powerful. They could’ve become a direct threat to the USA.

The second Gulf War was an extension of the First Gulf war. Saddam continually broke treaty stipulations. And this was after 9-11 and people were worried about another radical Islam attack on the USA. Our intelligence agencies (as well as others) kept warning us about Iraq’s WMD and their plans to attack. Based on that most people were on board with going to war with Iraq again.
4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 10:53:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 12/25/18 - 10:47:54 PM Noldor wrote:
Based on that most people were on board with going to war with Iraq again.

Absolutely not.
And you guys didn’t even care about securing Afghanistan or getting OBL, you were in such a hurry to get to Iraq.

4 months ago - Tuesday 12/25/18 - 11:17:01 PM EST (GMT-5)

I just cannot believe that some of you twits couldn't take Christmas Day off.

Merry Christmas. Twits. ??

4 months ago - Wednesday 12/26/18 - 1:19:25 AM EST (GMT-5)
I think CD just punches out responses unthinkingly and relies on playing 3 card monte until everyone gets bored of listening to him.

As far as border security is concerned a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Inconveniencing migrants and smugglers by putting incomplete and immobile objects in the way doesn't seem like an effective use of resources. I didn't ever suggest having no wall is more effective you are just adding to the shell game by trying to promote that kind of bullsh*t. I clearly maintained for the last 3 days that having an incomplete wall was less effective. I'll also add that building a complete wall and failing to patrol it to stop people from digging under it or climbing over it will not solve the problem. The more secure you want the border, the more it is going to cost.
4 months ago - Wednesday 12/26/18 - 1:20:20 AM EST (GMT-5)
Maybe if the USA added some of the security measures adopted on the border of East/West Germany they could get more bang for your buck. Literally. Mine fields and dog runs would cut down on speculative examination of the border barriers.
4 months ago - Wednesday 12/26/18 - 7:52:20 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 12/25/18 - 10:47:54 PM Noldor wrote:
As far as Iraq goes: The first Gulf war was to defend Kuwait. If we hadn’t done that, Iraq and Saddam would’ve become much more powerful. They could’ve become a direct threat to the USA.

Just like ISIS ... but I understand, you're ok with that.
4 months ago - Wednesday 12/26/18 - 7:52:40 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 12/25/18 - 10:47:54 PM Noldor wrote:
As far as Iraq goes: The second Gulf War was an extension of the First Gulf war. Saddam continually broke treaty stipulations. And this was after 9-11 and people were worried about another radical Islam attack on the USA. Our intelligence agencies (as well as others) kept warning us about Iraq’s WMD and their plans to attack. Based on that most people were on board with going to war with Iraq again.

As Abzurd has already covered that and there's not much more to say, I'm not going to start another Iraq war debate.
4 months ago - Wednesday 12/26/18 - 7:53:10 AM EST (GMT-5)
It's just interesting to note how selective your interpretation of "direct thread" or "potential direct threat" is when you have an organisation that threatens to kill you all and is recruiting suicice bombers to do so on the one side and a state that never directly threatened the US (and why should Saddam have done that anyway?) on the other ...

No need to reply to this.

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