This story is so wild and I feel SURE we don`t even have half of the facts yet. [link] Officer Amber Guyger was off duty and returning to the South... Who's Online | Find Members | Private Messages
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Off-duty Dallas cop enters wrong apartment, kills unarmed man

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2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 7:38:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
This story is so wild and I feel SURE we don't even have half of the facts yet.

https://apnews.com/amp/25044e46567e...

Officer Amber Guyger was off duty and returning to the South Side Flats, where she and 26-year-old Botham Jean both had apartments, when the shooting occurred Thursday. Many questions remain about what led the officer, who has been on the police force for four years, to shoot Jean.

Lawyers for Jean's family had been calling for Guyger's arrest since the shooting, saying the fact she had remained free days later showed she was getting favorable treatment. She was arrested Sunday and later released on bond.

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It took them THREE DAYS to arrest her. What the f*ck.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 7:47:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
The link doesn't work.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 7:48:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
This makes no sense. First of all, how do you accidentally mistake someone else's apartment for your own?
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 7:58:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
The link works fine for me? But here's a different one. It's hit every major outlet I think.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/09/us/a...

Wiggles, they said she got off on the wrong floor. But yeah, it's so implausible that you'd get very far before realizing the furniture and stuff wasn't yours...she claims she "gave him verbal commands" and he didn't comply, like that's some kind of f*cking excuse. The details of her story also keep evolving, it seems like.
And yeah, instead of arresting her on the scene like they would a non-cop, they waited three days. The family are right that she got preferential treatment, and it's ridiculous.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 8:04:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
Was she drunk? What an idiot.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 8:05:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
Right! And if she had time to make verbal commands, assess the situation and decide that killing the guy was the right course of action then surely that was enough time to realise "My apartment smells different. That's not my couch..."

Honestly the fact they waited 3 days to arrest her doesn't surprise me. I just can't get my head around the story that she went on wrong apartment and thought there was an intruder.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 8:08:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's frustrating that she's trying to use the "I gave verbal commands" defense at all. She was not on duty. She was in HIS apartment, with no warning and no reason. She shouldn't be painting this as some kind of police encounter gone wrong because the suspect didn't comply. It was a home invasión. An accidental one maybe, but that's what it was.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 8:08:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
They took blood samples from the officer to test for drugs or alcohol. At least they finally arrested her. Took the better part of the week to do that. Pretty sure if I walked in to someone’s apartment and shot them it wouldn’t take 10 minutes before I was in the back of a squad car.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 8:08:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
Her story makes as much sense as Pistorious'
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 8:10:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 9/10/18 - 8:08:16 PM catchall wrote:
Pretty sure if I walked in to someone’s apartment and shot them it wouldn’t take 10 minutes before I was in the back of a squad car.

Yep.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 8:11:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
When I lived in the dorms, I woke up one night (like 2 a.m.) to someone rattling my doorknob. It was the girl who lived in 303, and I was 203. Honest mistake. But she was also absolutely sh*tass plastered.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 8:24:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
Not that its the dudes fault at all, but do people leave their doors unlocked?? Is that a normal thing? Our door is always locked unless we are literally walking through it.

I walked into 234 instead of 334 classroom once. I sat down in a desk and everything. Everyone was looking at me weird.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 8:28:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
She claims the door was slightly ajar so when she tried to put her key in, it opened. That detail is new as of today, and partly what I mean when I say her story keeps evolving.

IF that's actually true (big IF), it could have just been a mistake on his part. Locked the knob, pulled it to, and it didn't latch all the way. One of my interior doors does that and I often don't notice until I run into it in the dark because it's swung open.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 8:37:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
Oh is that it?

I had read somewhere earlier this week that he has opened the door while she was trying to get in. But I can’t find that in the news so maybe that was just someone trying to hypothesize how the hell soemthing like this could happen.

Her story makes no sense.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 8:51:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
How long do you have to hold someone without charging them.

Once charged could you change the charge to a worse defense?

I don’t know these answers so what I’m going to say could be completely off.

Could it be they were trying to gather some facts on whether to charge her with murder/mansaughter ?

Still crazy it took three days to arrest her.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 8:52:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
This is straight up murder.
The only reason she’s getting manslaughter is because she’s a cop.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 9:01:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
They only charged her with manslaughter originally (that's still the charge), and it's possible to up the charges/add new charges at basically any point. There's no way they were unable to charge her the night of the incident, considering she's the one who called 911 and said she shot him.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 9:05:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 9/10/18 - 8:51:40 PM Rik_Khaos wrote:
How long do you have to hold someone without charging them. Once charged could you change the charge to a worse defense? I don’t know these answers so what I’m going to say could be completely off. Could it be they were trying to gather some facts on whether to charge her with murder/mansaughter ? Still crazy it took three days to arrest her.

Yes, you can always add/change charges depending on what the investigation reveals. I've yet to see any good reason why she wasn't arrested immediately.
This story makes me sad. Dude is just in his apartment and straight up is murdered for no reason at all.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 9:19:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 9/10/18 - 8:08:02 PM birdsong4j wrote:
It's frustrating that she's trying to use the "I gave verbal commands" defense at all. She was not on duty. She was in HIS apartment, with no warning and no reason. She shouldn't be painting this as some kind of police encounter gone wrong because the suspect didn't comply. It was a home invasión. An accidental one maybe, but that's what it was.


...but to her, it was a home invasion. She came 'home' and found someone in what she thought was her apartment.

Are you honestly going to claim that you wouldn't be alarmed to find someone in what you believe to be your home?

2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 9:22:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
It doesn’t f8cking matter what she thought.
She read the situation incorrectly and someone is dead because of her incompetence.
F8ck what she thought. She should be in jail.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 9:27:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
It doesn't matter what she thought. At that point, she was not a cop. She does not get the kind of immunity that on-duty cops get when they kill an unarmed person for "not complying". She does not get to use that kind of official cop-speak as a defense.

She's not in jail, just btw. I guess the three day lag time allowed her to get ~$300k bond together.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 9:32:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
It actually does matter what she thought, and should factor into the charges brought against her.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 9:34:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
Tell me Bird, what would you do if you walked into your home and realized there was someone else there that wasn't supposed to be there?
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 9:34:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm talking about the narrative she's trying to paint, one of a cop giving commands that weren't followed. It's bullsh*t, and any reasonable person can see that. Which... actually yeah, I'm not surprised you're questioning it, now that I think of it.
2 months ago - Monday 9/10/18 - 9:34:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
I would flipping look around so realize it wasn’t my house....

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