[link] so basically one guy calls a prank call into the police saying the other guy is a terrorist or something, and then the police show up and shoot him... Who's Online | Find Members | Private Messages
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Police shoot man dead after alleged Call of Duty 'swatting' hoax

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19 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 10:53:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
They set up and are likely on the loudspeaker giving directions. They have no clue this is a hoax and don't have the luxury just dismissing the claims of the of the caller.

So this guy comes to the door, unaware they are there for him, has no idea what is going on and is probably scared.

So the cops give him a command, he does not comply. Cops HAVE to assume he his armed or ready to set the house ablaze. They couldn't just knock on the door and treat it like a normal event.

I'm not saying they are blameless, but you shouldn't just be pooting on the cops trying to save the lives of two people that they thought were in trouble.
19 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 11:00:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
But the problem is partly that the cops apparently didn't do anything to confirm the situation before going there and surrounding the house and all that.
It's not hard to spoof a number and make it look local, but it's also not hard to call that number back and get a not in service error. People do it with scam telemarketing calls all the time, and that's just an annoyance. You'd think the f*cking police could do at least that when we're talking a matter of life and death.
19 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 11:04:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yeah that's what just confuses the crap out of me.
19 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 11:06:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
they also didnt give any warning of any kind whatsoever if the video bits havent been edited too much but idk there maybe they did. the video they say 'show your hands. walk this way. walk this wBOOM'

i mean maybe that was one of the hostages they were trying to rescue. they didnt seem to give a sh*t, even though theyre using that as an excuse for why they shot someone they hadnt even identified in any way whatsoever

18 days ago - Monday 1/1/18 - 3:11:08 AM EST (GMT-5)
Come to the door with two forms of ID. TWO FORMS!

I can understand them checking , but dispatch rather than police.

When I worked as an insurance adjuster I had acces to a program that would let me look up just about anything about any one if I had a few prices of information.

The police don’t have time to do that as they prep to get to the scene. But if the dispatch could take the time to check for phone numbers attached to an address or phones attached to the persons listed as living there it could help like this.

18 days ago - Monday 1/1/18 - 10:21:27 AM EST (GMT-5)
Basically, if the police open fire on the strength of a single phone call without seemingly doing *any* other checks at all, then yeah, it’s on them.

And yeah, I’m not expecting the guys on their way to the scene to be doing that but the police are, you know, quite a large organisation. Here’s an idea, whilst the guys with guns are en route, why not get someone else to run a few checks? Just a thought.
18 days ago - Monday 1/1/18 - 6:48:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
That’s why I suggested dispatch. As they can take the call and could do a real-time check and ask name and the such so it can be relayed in the moments
18 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 12:12:34 AM EST (GMT-5)
This is one reason why they shouldn’t disqualify those applicants that score highest on the police entrance exam.
18 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 1:02:19 AM EST (GMT-5)
WTF are you babbling on about now?

What bullsh*t spin are you going to put on that pile of crap?

18 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 1:13:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'm wondering how they're supposed to check claims like that *without* already going, armed, to the scene? Other than having dispatch do call-backs and such (which, depending on how busy they are, would it be possible to do that with every call? And what about those situations where calling a person back may actually make the situation worse)?

Not really defending the cops here, I think it's pretty freaking ridiculous how quick they were to shoot. It could be understandable if they were all right there on the porch with him, but they were many yards away, behind cover. I feel like you should need more than a vague "movement" to shoot in that case.
But I'm still wondering how else they were supposed to "check" the validity of the call. They get so many calls, I dunno if it's feasible to check all of them.
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 2:42:09 AM EST (GMT-5)
The first clue would be if the person coming to the door was actuallly armed.

The second would be if he showed any sign that he knew why the police were there.

Police should not interprete any movement of a suspects hands as an attempt to to use a firearm. If a police officer has a gun trained on a suspect he can wait to see if "moving his hand towards his waistband" results in a weapon being produced.

Simply shouting Put your hands in the air is insufficient when you are dealing with a potentially unsuspecting and disoriented meember of the public. If the police turn up at the wrong address or in this case, a fake address, then the person they are screaming at is probably unaware that they are the target of the bellowed instructions for at least long enough for one of the police to be impatient enough to kill them.
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 2:47:33 AM EST (GMT-5)
During my time in the military I recieved scant weapon training but the SOP in dealing with firing weapons in unconventional combat situations was that you had to identify a firearm before firing at a target that was not in uniform.
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 3:03:04 AM EST (GMT-5)
The first clue is no neighbors calling 911. The second clue is how quiet and peaceful the area is.

If the guy comes out, that means the family is no longer hostage or they are all dead, which means there is no rush.

Wichita is about 600 000 people. This is no remote town with no law enforcement ressources.
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 3:08:36 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'm just glad he wasn't black because we're actually talking about the police and the miss use of force.

Maybe the people who put their fingers in their ears and say the police can do no wrong when a negro gets shot will actually listen this time.
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 3:13:34 AM EST (GMT-5)
No, that's what I mean. They'd still have to *go* to the location to see how valid the call was. It seemed like they were saying such calls should be validated in some way *before* sending in police.
Apologies if I misunderstood though.
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 3:14:44 AM EST (GMT-5)
They will more likely use the fact tat he was white to declare that the police don't discriminate against Black suspects.
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 3:28:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
no i think people would be happy if the police just did basically anything at all besides shoot the first person that came out of a door within five seconds of them doing that and only that.

like just maybe have a cooler head than literally killing someone without maybe a dozen seconds going by at the very least? the only way the handling of this could be more satirical of police incompetence was if the police killed everyone instead.

im pretty sure satirical things is supposed to be fake but i mean really if you made that video into a southpark style cartoon id laugh at how silly it was
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 4:21:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
where is the video?
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 4:50:50 AM EST (GMT-5)
at the top of the page in the link in first post. about a minute in
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 9:28:14 AM EST (GMT-5)
I will give the officers some credit.

They didn't kill their dog.
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 4:50:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
After watching the video, one thing that should have been a red flag is the caller described the house as one-story, and the house the man walked out of was definitely two-story.
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 5:52:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 1/2/18 - 4:50:34 PM birdsong4j wrote:
After watching the video, one thing that should have been a red flag is the caller described the house as one-story, and the house the man walked out of was definitely two-story.


Like witnesses are always 100% accurate in their descriptions- - besides, the person that took the call aren't on the scene. I can understand a bit of a disconnect between the various parties involved.
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 6:06:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 1/2/18 - 9:28:14 AM EhFahQ wrote:
I will give the officers some credit. They didn't kill their dog.

They'll go back and take care of that detail now.
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 6:11:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 1/2/18 - 4:50:34 PM birdsong4j wrote:
After watching the video, one thing that should have been a red flag is the caller described the house as one-story, and the house the man walked out of was definitely two-story.
On Tuesday 1/2/18 - 5:52:37 PM CowDung wrote:
Like witnesses are always 100% accurate in their descriptions- - besides, the person that took the call aren't on the scene. I can understand a bit of a disconnect between the various parties involved.

The call wasn't from a supposed "witness." It was from the "shooter," who was supposedly in his own home.
And if 911 dispatch is trying to get police to a house where hostages are supposedly being held, a physical description of the house seems like a minimum level of detail to provide. Maybe Kepi will come along and let us know if that's accurate.
17 days ago - Tuesday 1/2/18 - 6:41:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
Still, someone going through some psychotic break is probably not going to be fully accurate, either.
And I don't work patrol, but I feel like the description of a house isn't exactly a priority. Usually it's just a call of a code, an address/location, description (if possible) of suspect, and whether a weapon may be involved. I mean, it could be different when it's a call for SWAT, but I can't be sure.

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