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Texas church shooting leaves many dead.

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13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 12:49:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
The shooter has been identified as Sam Hyde.
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 1:59:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 11/6/17 - 8:58:11 AM Spoonerism wrote:
Is it just me or does it feel like people are becoming desensitised to the frequency and severity of gun violence in America?
On Monday 11/6/17 - 12:30:38 PM mousepelled wrote:
Well, when I read this news, my very first thought was, "Again?" It does seem like mass murder is becoming so commonplace as to feel weary about the news instead of emotional or shocked. That can't be a good thing.

To be honest, me too. Emotion came after, but no shock. And that's not good.
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 2:11:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 11/6/17 - 10:00:19 AM Boredofu wrote:
Like so many things in the world you can't have any meaningfull dialogue bbecause their are too many vested interests hiding behind polorised opinionated bullsh*t.
On Monday 11/6/17 - 11:28:02 AM 3 mehs wrote:
fixed



No not anywhere like the same extent. one example. In 1975 the British Labour Party held a referendum on Britain's membership of the European common market. The vote was to remain

In 2016 The British Conservative Party followed the same path over membership of the EU. The vote was to leave

Many Labour policies of Tony Blair's adminitration were considered to be more right wing than those of Thatcher during the early part of her time in office.

Americans are still arguing about basic issues that were the result of rulings in the 1970's or earlier.
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 3:25:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
This one is going to encourage the cowboys.

Sure the perpetrator was shot by an armed citizen. This was was one of the few instances where the engagement made sense. Single target, not surrounded by innocent people to be caught in the crossfire.

If this were were the Aroura shooting and a citizen ran to their car to get their weapon the conditions would not be favorable.

In Vegas even if every attendant was armed they would have not been able to take the guy out without blindly firing into a hotel.

I’m glad the guy was stopped, but this hardly changes the bad guy with a gun vs a good guy with a gun argument.

Also if this is a mental health issue vs a gun issue let the cdc research it.
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 3:26:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
Assault rifles have no place in civilian hands.
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 3:28:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 11/6/17 - 3:26:49 PM Rag_Doll_ wrote:
Assault rifles have no place in civilian hands.


What makes a weapon an 'assault rifle'?
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 3:46:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
If it can kill a sealion with a single shot.
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 4:05:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
AR-15s and the like
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 4:10:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 11/6/17 - 4:05:58 PM Rag_Doll_ wrote:
AR-15s and the like


So if they change the name to something besides AR-15, it isn't an assault rifle?
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 4:14:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think it's stupid to say that 'assault rifles have no place in civilian hands'. To me, an 'assault rifle' is a weapon with auto fire capabilities. The AR-15 doesn't appear to be an assault rifle to me.
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 4:16:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
...note that the 'AR' in AR-15 doesn't stand for Assault Rifle.
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 4:25:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 11/6/17 - 4:05:58 PM Rag_Doll_ wrote:
AR-15s and the like


Don't feed him.
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 5:10:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
Of course he was a psycho atheist
I bet you he had pet cats too
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 5:11:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 11/6/17 - 3:26:49 PM Rag_Doll_ wrote:
Assault rifles have no place in civilian hands.
On Monday 11/6/17 - 3:28:41 PM CowDung wrote:
What makes a weapon an 'assault rifle'?

An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine (according to wiki)
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 5:21:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 11/6/17 - 3:26:49 PM Rag_Doll_ wrote:
Assault rifles have no place in civilian hands.
On Monday 11/6/17 - 3:28:41 PM CowDung wrote:
What makes a weapon an 'assault rifle'?
On Monday 11/6/17 - 5:11:28 PM Abzurd wrote:
An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine (according to wiki)


Which I don't believe describes the AR-15 and the like (or the weapon used in the church shootings).


13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 5:23:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
It should be determined by the purpose it was originally built and for and number of rounds that can be fired in a fixed time frame.


No accessories or modification kits, tools, or equipment should be allowed if it would make an otherwise allowed firearm to act as an unapproved firearm.

I have no problem with a semi automatic function, it would be a massive pain in the ass to shoot otherwise.

But there is no need for a weapon that can mow down a building full of people.

I’d be happy with regulation of magazines, and smart guns that limited rate of fire.


13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 5:28:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
Well surprise, surprise - reports are saying this was likely related to a "domestic situation." The shooter's mother-in-law and grandmother-in-law attended the church. He had sent threatening texts to the MiL that morning.
(She was not at the church, but the grandmother was, and was killed.)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-chur...

13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 5:37:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
"1117. Restrictions on the Possession of Firearms by Individuals Convicted of a Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence"

https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimin...

13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 5:37:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
And I love how some people pretend not to understand what "assault rifle" means, when we literally defined the term in the context of law over 20 years ago.

It is not a meaningless term, and the firearms industry has even used it as far back as the '90s, so quit pretending like you don't know what people are talking about when they say "assault rifles" have no place in civilian hands.
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 5:39:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
so, what’s the definition?
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 5:40:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 11/6/17 - 5:37:24 PM birdsong4j wrote:
And I love how some people pretend not to understand what "assault rifle" means, when we literally defined the term in the context of law over 20 years ago. It is not a meaningless term, and the firearms industry has even used it as far back as the '90s, so quit pretending like you don't know what people are talking about when they say "assault rifles" have no place in civilian hands.


Considering that the shooting being discussed in this thread did not involve an assault rifle, what relevance does such a statement have? I think it's fair to assume that the person making such a comment really has no idea what an assault rifle actually is.
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 5:40:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 11/6/17 - 5:37:10 PM CowDung wrote:
"1117. Restrictions on the Possession of Firearms by Individuals Convicted of a Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence" [link]


Yeah, I know that exists. I also know the "Boyfriend Loophole" exists. If you don't share a child, or haven't been married or lived together, it doesn't f*cking count.

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenint...
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 5:42:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
It sounded like you weren't aware of the law...

On Sunday 11/5/17 - 10:41:28 PM birdsong4j wrote:
You want a common-sense gun control measure? Ban anyone ever convicted of DV from owning a gun. The link between DV and mass shootings has been reported on extensively, not to mention domestic abusers pose a continuing threat to their victims if they're allowed to own guns.

13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 5:43:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 11/6/17 - 5:40:26 PM CowDung wrote:
Considering that the shooting being discussed in this thread did not involve an assault rifle, what relevance does such a statement have?

Last I saw, it was an AR-15 variant. That certainly did fall under the AWB.
13 days ago - Monday 11/6/17 - 5:44:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
It sounded like you weren't aware of the law...
On Sunday 11/5/17 - 10:41:28 PM birdsong4j wrote:
You want a common-sense gun control measure? Ban anyone ever convicted of DV from owning a gun. The link between DV and mass shootings has been reported on extensively, not to mention domestic abusers pose a continuing threat to their victims if they're allowed to own guns.
On Monday 11/6/17 - 5:42:36 PM CowDung wrote:

I absolutely was. I said ban ANYONE. That has to include non-spousal partners who didn't cohabitate or have children with their victims.

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