Washington (CNN) — President Donald Trump, during a White House Cabinet meeting Wednesday, said he wants to terminate the Diversity Visa Lottery, a program that distributes around 50,000 visas to... Who's Online | Find Members | Private Messages
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17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 6:40:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/2/17 - 5:55:41 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Where's that sea lion picture?


If you are going to insist on making such claims (and repeat them), you should at least be prepared to back them up.

On Thursday 11/2/17 - 3:47:14 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Also, just to point out - "Chain migration" in reference to federal immigration policy is straight-up white supremacist speak. Good to know Stephen Miller and the ultra-nationalists still have Trump's ear on these things. Can't wait to see Spencer, Cernovich, et al. calling this a win for their side.


17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 6:41:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/2/17 - 4:42:07 PM birdsong4j wrote:
What makes Trump's remarks doubly stupid is when he starts talking about "chain migration." That's the white supremacist/nationalist term for the part of our immigration law that allows current immigrants (once they've become citizens or gotten PR cards) to sponsor family members to come here. It's absolutely nothing to do with the diversity visa program, or anything relating to this guy, to my knowledge.


You are rather persistent in making the point...
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 6:45:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
Already told you, I'm not going digging around a bunch of white supremacist websites to prove something to you that I already know to be true. That term is like "anchor babies."

If you want to go looking for instances of white supremacists using it, go for it. It shouldn't be hard to google those people; they don't exactly hide.
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 6:47:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
Speaking of "backing things up," I'm still waiting for any verification that this person "brought 23 relatives with him" through our family immigration programs.
Or for that matter, any reason why that should matter, even if he did. Or did I miss something, and all 23 of his supposed immigrant relatives are also accused of committing crimes?
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 7:30:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
I would have thought someone with 23 relatives around him would bbe much more open to exposure as a terrorist risk than someone who was completely alone.

I heard somewhere that he developed his interest in sidewalk driving after he had been in the US for some time.

The funniest thing about this particlar issue is that Trump is targeting people like CD with competition from the next round of goobacks.
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 7:36:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/2/17 - 6:45:34 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Already told you, I'm not going digging around a bunch of white supremacist websites to prove something to you that I already know to be true. That term is like "anchor babies." If you want to go looking for instances of white supremacists using it, go for it. It shouldn't be hard to google those people; they don't exactly hide.


My point is that I don't see *only* white supremacists using the term- - that's why I posted the CNN link where they defined the term and made no reference to it being linked to a white supremacist movement. You seem to be the only one attempting to create that link.

17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 7:50:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
Never once did I claim that *only* white supremacists used it. I said it was their preferred term (it is), and that they would see it as a victory to hear Trump use it (they will). Especially because he's using it in a negative context.

It's a dog-whistle. Just like "anchor baby."
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 8:05:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
You sure made it sound like they own the phrase...

"Also, just to point out - "Chain migration" in reference to federal immigration policy is straight-up white supremacist speak."
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 8:06:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
It IS white supremacy speak. It's their preferred term.
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 8:06:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
I assume from this that you don't understand what a dog whistle is. Carry on, I guess.
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 8:08:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's your attempt to push the 'Trump is a racist' narrative being pushed by the Left...

17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 8:10:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/2/17 - 8:06:28 PM birdsong4j wrote:
It IS white supremacy speak. It's their preferred term.


What is the 'non-White supremacist' term for it?
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 8:13:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
Family Preference Immigration. Which is also more directly descriptive of what's actually happening.
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 8:14:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
And that's not a made-up term, either. It's what's used on government websites pertaining to the process.
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 8:16:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
Funny how CNN neglected to use that phrase when defining 'chain migration'...
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 8:20:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
And? That doesn't mean it isn't the term.
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 8:59:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
It is a term, I'm not disputing that. I just think that you are purposely trying to make the use of the 'chain migration' term to be much more negative than it is generally perceived to be.
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 9:04:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
Right, like I said: you don't understand what dog whistles are.
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 9:17:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
I wonder if Trump is just the whistle and it’s stephen Miller that’s blowing him.
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 9:22:57 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/2/17 - 9:17:59 PM Rik_Khaos wrote:
I wonder if Trump is just the whistle and it’s stephen Miller that’s blowing him.

I mean Trump is clearly racist on his own, just based on his past statements. But as far as stuff like these dog whistles, yes, I think Stephen Miller is the one (or one of the ones) whispering in his ear.
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 9:53:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/2/17 - 9:04:40 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Right, like I said: you don't understand what dog whistles are.


It seems like making word associations in order to trigger a negative reaction toward a particular person...
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 10:26:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
I see trump as an everyday run of the mill racist grandpa. Like just an everyday casual racist rather than a (tiki)torch and cross burning racist. I think that his racist tendencies are being driven even further by the behind the scenes racist movement types.

Not that it excuses him in any way, and he clearly know that his base it’s it up and is saying somethings deliberately.

I get the casual racisty thing from stuff like his cinco de mayo taco bowl tweet. It’s just so drating tone deaf.
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 11:09:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
Dude, he has said/done WAY more overtly racist stuff than the stupid taco bowl thing.
17 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 11:12:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
...like using white supremacist terms like 'chain migration'.
17 days ago - Friday 11/3/17 - 12:35:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
I know. That was supposed to be representative of his most egregious remarks. That why I feel he’s so casually racist. He say racists things even when he’s clearly trying not to. I just don’t quite feel he’s aligned himself with any particular movement in so much as I don’t believe he adheres to any ideology.

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