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20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 2:38:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, military tribunals are different than the trials of a regular court system. The treatment of enemy combatants should be different than the treatment of civilian criminal suspects.

Given the statements Saipov has made admitting guilt, I don't think that detainment after a clearance of charges is going to be an issue...

20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 2:43:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's like I'm saying things, and you're just ignoring that I said them. So I will repeat:

Guantanamo detainees are not tried in civilian courts OR military tribunals.

And you asked how his due process rights would be violated. I've given you a number of different answers to that, and your only response seems to be "but he admitted it."
Doesn't matter. Until someone is convicted at trial, or takes a plea deal, they still have procedural rights.
20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 2:44:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
The commissions you speak of really are military tribunals...
20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 2:44:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/2/17 - 2:44:02 PM CowDung wrote:
The commissions you speak of really are military tribunals...

They really very specifically are not, actually.
20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 2:45:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
He will get a defense lawyer. He will get a hearing. He will get due process.
20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 2:48:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
The mastermind of 9/11 KSM is still sitting in gitmo and he was captured in 2003 and sent to gitmo in 2006.

If you want justice and you want it swiftly military tribunal is a bad option. Also when the person is tortured to get evidence it calls into question the evidence provided even for use in a tribunal.

green holders rights

6th amendment In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial

I say hold the trial here and get it overwith
20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 2:49:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/2/17 - 2:45:44 PM CowDung wrote:
He will get a defense lawyer. He will get a hearing. He will get due process.

Yes, he will, because he was charged by the US Attorney for the SDNY yesterday, and will be tried in federal (civilian) court. But that doesn't change the fact that the president, along with some congressional Republicans, called for him to be sent to an offshore prison and tried there instead, where he would be denied certain rights. Just because they didn't end up doing it doesn't mean they didn't want to.

I don't know about you, but a desire on the part of elected officials to ignore the foundation of our criminal justice system is a f*cking PROBLEM for me.
20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 2:49:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
What is the difference?

The Military Commissions Act of 2006 authorized the use of military tribunals in place of federal courts to try the Gitmo detainees...

https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military...
20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 3:02:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
I literally already explained the differences. RTFT.
20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 3:30:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/2/17 - 3:02:13 PM birdsong4j wrote:
I literally already explained the differences. RTFT.


Then perhaps you can link to your source.
20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 3:36:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
Everything I'm seeing indicates that Military tribunal and military commission are the same thing.

"Johnson: What is a military tribunal?

Moran: A military tribunal or military commission is a courtlike forum that is created within the military to try a person accused of crimes. It is authorized by the U.S. Constitution and the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), which is a federal law (Title 10, U.S. Code, Chapter 47) passed by Congress. The great majority of the UCMJ is devoted to the rules concerning trial of U.S. service personnel by court-martial. However, Article 21, UCMJ, provides authority to convene other military tribunals "with respect to offenders or offenses that by statute or by the law of war may be tried by military commissions, provost courts, or other military tribunals.""
20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 3:36:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 3:40:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
My argument is that what happens at Guantanamo is NOT the same as what happens in a normal military tribunal. Because it isn't.
20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 4:16:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
Perhaps that has something to do with the nature of the charges that have been brought against the Gitmo detainees rather than just because they are being held at Gitmo...
20 days ago - Thursday 11/2/17 - 4:24:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, you're just talking sh*t. Again.

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