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First charges filed in Mueller probe

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19 days ago - Sunday 10/29/17 - 11:39:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
Right, but how can it be considered 'trying' if it is known that the pardon means that they will be compelled to testify?
19 days ago - Sunday 10/29/17 - 11:41:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
While the pardon eliminates the possibility of making a deal for their testimony, it does compel them to provide that same testimony without the benefit of having to make a deal.
19 days ago - Sunday 10/29/17 - 11:45:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
Well off the top of my head, as a layman, it could take away some leverage a prosecutor/investigator might have.

For example, assume tomorrow's indictment is Flynn Jr., and part of the logic behind indicting him early is to get Flynn Sr. to cooperate ("tell us X and we might be able to keep your kid out of quite so much trouble"). Pardon the son, and the father no longer has that big, compelling reason to cooperate or cut a deal. The prosecutor would have to find other leverage.
19 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 2:56:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
Not to sound dumb but if trump pardons them and they're compelled to testify because the fifth does not apply.... What compels them to then be truthful while under oath? Could they not then get away with perjury?
19 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 3:53:55 AM EST (GMT-5)
If they commit perjury and then get caught out, that's a whole different crime Considering they have already been pardoned for assumed wrong doing, that isn't going to go down very well with the courts.
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 6:39:18 AM EST (GMT-5)
I think the “biggest fish” that will get indicted in the course of this ehole thing will be kushner. He’s clearly committed a crime in his filing and omissions on his SF-86.

I don’t Think that is going to be today’s news.

I think this may used the pardon, as opposed to Flynn or Manafort.
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 8:16:44 AM EST (GMT-5)
So reports are saying it is Manafort and a business partner.

I’ll be interested in finding out what the specific charges are.
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 8:53:43 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 10/30/17 - 8:16:44 AM Rik_Khaos wrote:
So reports are saying it is Manafort and a business partner. I’ll be interested in finding out what the specific charges are.


Probably tax fraud.
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 9:25:56 AM EST (GMT-5)
A bit more than just tax fraud.

Conspiracy against the United States
Conspiracy to launder money
Unregistered agent of a foreign principal
False and misleading FARA statements
False statements
Seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/...


18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 9:28:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
So money laundering and tax fraud...
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 9:30:08 AM EST (GMT-5)
…and covertly working as an agent of a foreign government.
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 9:30:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
Funny how that didn't make the NY Times headline...
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 9:32:00 AM EST (GMT-5)
...but tbh, I couldn't read anything more than just the headline- - NY Times paywall.
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 9:38:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
I listed out the charges in my post, including "unregistered agent of a foreign principal" and "false/misleading FARA statements."

If you don't like my source, find your own.
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 11:10:10 AM EST (GMT-5)
Also released today: Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos pled guilty to making false statements to the FBI.

He was caught sending emails trying to set up meetings between the Trump campaign and senior Russian officials, and was arrested in June of this year.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/do...

That is one hell of a read.
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 11:24:37 AM EST (GMT-5)
Isn't that Webster's stepdad?
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 11:26:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
Did you know penquins are assholes?

18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 11:36:04 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 10/30/17 - 11:10:10 AM birdsong4j wrote:
Also released today: Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos pled guilty to making false statements to the FBI. He was caught sending emails trying to set up meetings between the Trump campaign and senior Russian officials, and was arrested in June of this year. [link] That is one hell of a read.


He is also now a cooperative witness.

This guy may be the straw that breaks the camels back.

I wonder if other indictments willl be coming down eventually.

This thing is definitely not going away prior to the midterms now.
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 11:40:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
Yeah Manafort has been dirty for years, but that is huge. It directly links the campaign with attempts to coordinate with Russian officials.
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 11:52:50 AM EST (GMT-5)
But Benghazi!
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 11:57:23 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 10/30/17 - 11:52:50 AM 3 mehs wrote:
But Benghazi!


More like "...but Uranium One!".

18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 12:11:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
Lmao keep parroting that debunked Fox News conspiracy story. It'll definitely distract us all from the fact that one of the president's foreign policy advisers admits to coordinating with Russia to get dirt on a political opponent, then lying to federal authorities about it, and then striking a plea deal to give them the real info.
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 12:19:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
"...but Fusion GPS!"?
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 12:37:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
Speaking of Fusion GPS I wonder how this popadopolus stuff washes with the dossier.
18 days ago - Monday 10/30/17 - 1:07:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
I imagine the golden showers would wash it pretty well...

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