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1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:10:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
...says Trump to grieving widow on her way to pick up body of her killed serviceman husband

His defence for such insensitivity?

That he's the first President to personally contact families of the fallen.

Spoiler alert - not true.
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:12:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
it seems unfair to only quote the first half of the sentence
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:13:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
Ok so you're right, the second half was

"but I guess it hurts anyway."

You're right, that's so much better.
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:14:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
it seems better to me. it's clumsily put, but the sentiment is 'even though he signed up for this, it still sucks'
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:14:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
The full quote is: "He knew what he was signing up for, but I guess it hurts anyway."

Which is a pretty shxtty thing to say to a grieving mother. He could have even made it better by saying, "He knew what he was signing up for, but that doesn't make what happened any less painful." Still insensitive, but waaaaaay better.
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:24:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
Is there a a recording, or actual transcript?
I thought there wasn’t.
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:33:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:24:29 PM theBSR wrote:
Is there a a recording, or actual transcript? I thought there wasn’t.


So the mother's lying?
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:38:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:24:29 PM theBSR wrote:
Is there a a recording, or actual transcript? I thought there wasn’t.
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:33:44 PM Mizu wrote:
So the mother's lying?


Perhaps, perhaps not.

There's no recording or transcript to tell us for sure what Trump actually said- - all we know is how the mother heard it.
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:38:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:24:29 PM theBSR wrote:
Is there a a recording, or actual transcript? I thought there wasn’t.
he said he had proof.
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:46:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:24:29 PM theBSR wrote:
Is there a a recording, or actual transcript? I thought there wasn’t.
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:33:44 PM Mizu wrote:
So the mother's lying?

I have no idea, but is it that crazy to believe someone that doesn’t like him would turn the most difficult phone call there is to make into something it’s not?
I’ve seen a few gold star families step up and defend him, based off his calls to them.
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:49:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
He's such an uncouth person that it don't see it out of the realm of possibilities. If he has proof just fcking let people hear it, shut people up. Why respond at all?
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:00:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think this is a bit of knee jerk reaction here.

I believe he said it, but I don’t think it was meant to be pooty. He is a transactional person and empathy dosen’t seem his strong suit.

They were in a limo on the way to greet the remains at the airport. Emotions were probably at a fever pitch and anything at that point probably would have been insufficient.

Truth is, when I signed up I knew deployment was almost assured( even as a guardsman) and that could mean death. I was one of the lucky ones though.

I don’t like trump, but truth is I really wouldn’t want platitudes from any president. Perfunctory statements from someone who likely had no real understanding or connection with my loved one should just piss me off.

I would have asked to speak to John Kelly, at least he served and i’m Sure lost men under his command ( plus his son.)

1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:08:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't think he *intended* to be sh*tty, and props to him for making the call - can't imagine how hard that must be. But he did dr*t it up, then effectively call her a liar, and lie himself by saying he's the first pres to do it.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions...
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:11:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:24:29 PM theBSR wrote:
Is there a a recording, or actual transcript? I thought there wasn’t.
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:38:53 PM petitefleur wrote:
he said he had proof.

And then his press secretary had to say in her briefing yesterday that there wasn't actually a tape. It's lies on top of lies on top of lies.
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:12:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:08:15 PM Mizu wrote:
. But he did dr*t it up, then effectively call her a liar, ...


Trump actually called Representative Frederica Wilson a liar...
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:15:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:08:15 PM Mizu wrote:
. But he did dr*t it up, then effectively call her a liar, ...
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:12:53 PM CowDung wrote:
Trump actually called Representative Frederica Wilson a liar...

The mother of the soldier also says he said this, though. So in effect, he is calling her a liar, too.

Not that it should be any surprise that he treats a gold star mother with disrespect. Remember Ghazala Khan?
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:19:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:08:15 PM Mizu wrote:
. But he did dr*t it up, then effectively call her a liar, ...
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:12:53 PM CowDung wrote:
Trump actually called Representative Frederica Wilson a liar...
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:15:09 PM birdsong4j wrote:
The mother of the soldier also says he said this, though. So in effect, he is calling her a liar, too. Not that it should be any surprise that he treats a gold star mother with disrespect. Remember Ghazala Khan?


As I said earlier, we only know what she heard- - which may or may not be what Trump actually said.
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:21:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
Hmm. Gold star mother with no reason to lie (plus a congresswoman), or guy who tweets like five insane and disprovable things a day?

You're right; it's a tough choice on who to believe.
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:21:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:08:15 PM Mizu wrote:
... and lie himself by saying he's the first pres to do it.


Where are you getting this information? I can't find any quote where Trump is claiming to be the first to personally contact the families of the fallen.

1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:25:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:21:28 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Hmm. Gold star mother with no reason to lie (plus a congresswoman), or guy who tweets like five insane and disprovable things a day? You're right; it's a tough choice on who to believe.

Yeah, you’re not biased at all
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:26:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
The closest I can find is where he states that he has personally contacted every one of the families of someone who died, and that most other presidents have not done that.
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:31:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:08:15 PM Mizu wrote:
. But he did dr*t it up, then effectively call her a liar, ...
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:12:53 PM CowDung wrote:
Trump actually called Representative Frederica Wilson a liar...
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:15:09 PM birdsong4j wrote:
The mother of the soldier also says he said this, though. So in effect, he is calling her a liar, too. Not that it should be any surprise that he treats a gold star mother with disrespect. Remember Ghazala Khan?

So one family, speaks for all the others?

1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:35:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
Where did I say she speaks for anyone but her own family?

Also, please learn how to properly use commas. You're a grown-ass man.
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 5:15:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 3:24:29 PM theBSR wrote:
Is there a a recording, or actual transcript? I thought there wasn’t.

I thought he was on speakerphone in the woman’s car, and everyone in the vehicle did corroborate.
1 month ago - Thursday 10/19/17 - 5:17:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/19/17 - 4:35:17 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Where did I say she speaks for anyone but her own family? Also, please learn how to properly use commas. You're a grown-ass man.

Sure, thing.

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