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CA Governor Jerry Brown declares entire state a sanctuary state

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1 month ago - Saturday 10/7/17 - 12:05:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
SACRAMENTO — California flexed its political muscle Thursday, beefing up protections for undocumented immigrants under a controversial law signed by Gov. Jerry Brown that pushes back against President Trump’s policies.

Brown signed the bill to create a statewide sanctuary policy on the day Trump set as the deadline for immigrants aided by the federal Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, to request a two-year extension before the program is phased out. Brown also signed 10 other immigration-related bills that limit the growth of detention centers, expand education services for immigrants, and extend tenant and workplace protections for undocumented people.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...
1 month ago - Saturday 10/7/17 - 2:53:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
Good
1 month ago - Sunday 10/8/17 - 1:31:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
He should be arrested for aiding and abetting those that break federal immigration laws.
1 month ago - Sunday 10/8/17 - 2:08:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
Good.
1 month ago - Sunday 10/8/17 - 2:13:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 10/8/17 - 2:08:45 PM womersley wrote:
Good.

On Saturday 10/7/17 - 2:53:47 PM FoolsConvert wrote:
Good

1 month ago - Sunday 10/8/17 - 2:43:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 10/8/17 - 1:31:35 PM Noldor wrote:
He should be arrested for aiding and abetting those that break federal immigration laws.


it's clear no one here wants to do anything about illegal immigration. heck, even bill clinton wanted to do something about keeping out illegal immigrants, but if they have an R next to their name, it's considered racist.
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 5:50:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
If every illegal immigrant in the US left today, the economy of the US would collapse tomorrow.x
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 6:09:55 AM EST (GMT-5)
If every illegal immigrant in America was granted the right to reside and work there, the economy of the US would collapse tomorrow.
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 7:32:49 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'm not getting a good feeling about what the US economy is bound to do tomorrow...
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 7:43:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
No
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 9:53:14 AM EST (GMT-5)
This doesn't protect illegal aliens that were convicted in the last 15 years of most serious crimes. There are over 800 crimes on that list.

Water downed victory for the people who support sanctuary policies.
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 10:49:56 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 10/9/17 - 5:50:38 AM Guilty_Spark wrote:
If every illegal immigrant in the US left today, the economy of the US would collapse tomorrow.x


GS loves us!
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 11:05:33 AM EST (GMT-5)
The only way anyone is ever going to curtail illegal immigration is as follows:

1) fully fund immigration staffing to a level where the paper work can actually be processed in a timely manner.

2) impose strict punishment and enforcement on organizations who are knowingly hiring illegal labor.

Here is a list of people currently willing to do both of those things:














































1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 11:07:01 AM EST (GMT-5)
There is another option.

Make legal immigration much easier.
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 11:15:48 AM EST (GMT-5)
That still doesn't process the paper work (which still has top be processed in order to get the system functioning correctly again regardless of the individual's current status), and only the visible illegal immigrants are aware to things like changes in laws. The invisible ones will still be there because they're in the market for a $.25/hr job pouncing fruit for a few months, and you don't secure that by coming in legally.
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 11:24:49 AM EST (GMT-5)
No they could apply for better jobs.

A significant number of Nepaleze guys who used to work in the London markets and he UK festivals disappeared off the scene. I thought they might have been deported but when I asked around the other Nepalis it turned out to be the opposite. They had beeb granted residency and the right to work and had opened businesses in static locations.
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 12:17:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
They can't really apply for better jobs if they don't have the means to supply for them. When I say invisible, I mean invisible. Most of the time migrant workers in the U.S. are scouted in Mexico, driven over the border where they stay on company property, eat company provided food, and never leave that little plot of land until it's time to either go to another job or go home. They aren't around town, they don't really have any amenities like electricity where they can be communicated with. They're essentially serfs for 3 to 6 months until the company doesn't need them any more.

I'm not opposed to them getting better jobs or becoming legal citizens, but that's just not going to resolve our problems because our problems are bureaucratic on one side, and then more akin to a giant human trafficking problem on the other.
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 12:33:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
You can't see the wood for the trees.

If people could come in legally they wouldn't have the nned to take on these slave labour jobs. If companies could import labour leglly then they would out compete the traffickers.

The objections to my idealist view are more about the practicality of ,ore open boarders rather than the faikure of people to take dvantage of them.

In a sense I could just as easily be claiming that the solution to drug smuggling is to make them all legal.
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 12:51:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 10/9/17 - 11:05:33 AM Kepi wrote:
The only way anyone is ever going to curtail illegal immigration is as follows: 1) fully fund immigration staffing to a level where the paper work can actually be processed in a timely manner.



Processing time really isn't much of a problem. The real problem is immigration caps.

It's really complicated, but depending on where the beneficiary (immigrant) is from and how the petitioner/beneficiary are related, the wait for visa availability can be insane. For example, immigrants from Mexico or the Philippines can wait 20-24 years.

I worked on a case where the beneficiaries had been waiting for 18 years (& had about 4 years left) when
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 12:53:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
The petitioner died, which automatically revoked the petition. So 18 years of waiting meant nothing, and there was nothing for the family to do. I'm pretty sure the family ended up coming here illegally because they had nothing to lose.
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 12:58:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
As far as processing time goes, it can vary between a few weeks and a few months. It's not super speedy, but when we max out on the number of visas early in the year, it doesn't really matter if the paper work takes longer to process (b/c your priority date is set by when the petition was submitte, not by when the application was approved).
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 1:14:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
My objections to your idealist view are that they aren't adequately assessing the problem. There isn't some labor shortage. This isn't about some capitalist issue in an ideal state, it's about exploration. Those companies don't want to hire Mexican labor because they like Mexicans, they want to hire Mexicans so they can circumvent labor laws and then shrug their shoulders and blame the Mexican labourers when asked about their issue as if it's not their fault that illegal Mexican labor is so cheap. The people supplying migrant labor wouldn't get picked to work for other companies because they aren't even getting picked to work in their own countries. This is an under class of people who are being exploited by their lack of access to information and the fact that they have little option other than to be exploited. Market factors in this country aren't going to fix their problems.
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 1:43:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
Increasing their options to legal work is going to improve their situation. They aren't as stupid as you would like to imagine. They simply have limited choice.

At the very least it wouldd open up the oppertunity for illegal workers who have been shipped in for agricultural work to simply walk away once they have arrived. Sure the farms that employ them could build concentration camp facilities but that wouldn't really be cost effective.
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 3:25:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
It wouldn't open the opportunity for them to walk away because they already have that opportunity. You're not getting it. It's not about smarts or opportunities. They're trafficked in they're trafficked out. Most don't have the means to get here on their own. These are the poorest of the poor of Mexico. They couldn't get a job here legally, they can't get one in Mexico.

It's not like we just have all these jobs sitting around up here waiting to be filled by unskilled labor. Usually when you bring someone in here to work on a work Visa, they're highly skilled and fairly highly paid. Companies aren't going to pay for unskilled labor like that because they aren't willing to pay for it now.
1 month ago - Monday 10/9/17 - 3:39:29 PM EST (GMT-5)

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