No article as this is more a political discussion. I was thinking just how f•cked PR is after Maria. Thus is going to change a lot of things for them.... Who's Online | Find Members | Private Messages
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22 days ago - Tuesday 9/26/17 - 3:33:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
No article as this is more a political discussion.

I was thinking just how f•cked PR is after Maria. Thus is going to change a lot of things for them. The wholesale destruction of much of their infrastructure might end up working out to their benefit in the end.

If they essentially build from brand new they may end up with more efficient and more resilient system.

Obviously they were already in a world of financial hurt.

My real question is how does this effect the state hood movement. Does poor government response damage that and create a turn to independence?

If the federal government does a admirable job is there an even greater swell tword statehood.

How does this change how congress might respond to a statehood request?

Anyone have any ideas?
22 days ago - Tuesday 9/26/17 - 4:29:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
Well PR already voted in favor of statehood, and they were meant to have a second referendum on it in October. That probably won't happen now because of Maria.

This is the second referendum in a row that's gone pro-statehood, this one by a bigger margin (I think the previous one was like 52-48 or something like it). Congress is where the runaround is happening (you can imagine why certain members would be against making PR a state, but also it just isn't much of a priority for anyone).

The govt response to Maria is atrocious. It's going to be a Katrina-level humanitarian crisis. Almost no one has power or drinkable water, and they have no idea when anything will be fixed. FEMA isn't there in anywhere close to the numbers they need. I have a friend on the island and she's been lucky to find people w/sat phones to call home and stuff, but it is a desperate situation for a lot of folks.
22 days ago - Tuesday 9/26/17 - 4:36:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
22 days ago - Tuesday 9/26/17 - 5:00:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
part of me thinks that of course they should be a state, but then my ocd part screams at me to shut the f-ck up
22 days ago - Tuesday 9/26/17 - 6:01:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 9/26/17 - 5:00:09 PM Disappears wrote:
part of me thinks that of course they should be a state, but then my ocd part screams at me to shut the f-ck up


22 days ago - Tuesday 9/26/17 - 6:06:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 9/26/17 - 5:00:09 PM Disappears wrote:
part of me thinks that of course they should be a state, but then my ocd part screams at me to shut the f-ck up

Id trade Puerto Rico for Arizona.

Or Florida.
22 days ago - Tuesday 9/26/17 - 6:17:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 9/26/17 - 5:00:09 PM Disappears wrote:
part of me thinks that of course they should be a state, but then my ocd part screams at me to shut the f-ck up
On Tuesday 9/26/17 - 6:01:55 PM birdsong4j wrote:
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4 rows of 7 3 rows of 8
22 days ago - Tuesday 9/26/17 - 6:33:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
Or this one


22 days ago - Tuesday 9/26/17 - 6:34:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
much too busy
22 days ago - Tuesday 9/26/17 - 6:55:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 9/26/17 - 6:34:06 PM Disappears wrote:
much too busy

it's a joke. The source article said that one came from a reddit thread about 51-star flag re-designs.
21 days ago - Wednesday 9/27/17 - 1:48:04 AM EST (GMT-5)
It's like the United States of Bling.
21 days ago - Wednesday 9/27/17 - 2:41:14 AM EST (GMT-5)
As Trump says the govt is “doing well” here is the mayor of San Juan, begging for help for Puerto Rico.

https://youtu.be/pZoDIRp3VFY
21 days ago - Wednesday 9/27/17 - 8:47:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
The problem seems to be that the US is unloading the supp[lies at the ports and leaving the local government to distribute the aid across what appears to be impassable countryside.
19 days ago - Friday 9/29/17 - 12:42:42 PM EST (GMT-5)





19 days ago - Friday 9/29/17 - 2:14:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
Administration spokespeople keep saying how well everything is going, and that it’s a “good news story.”

Officials in PR keep screaming that it isn’t. People are dying. It’s been nine days since Maria and some places have yet to receive any supplies. This is inexcusable.
19 days ago - Friday 9/29/17 - 2:27:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/29/17 - 2:14:31 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Administration spokespeople keep saying how well everything is going, and that it’s a “good news story.” Officials in PR keep screaming that it isn’t. People are dying. It’s been nine days since Maria and some places have yet to receive any supplies. This is inexcusable.


What are the reasons for those 'some places' not receiving any supplies? Is it a lack of supplies, infrastructure problems, lack of transportation, or what?

19 days ago - Friday 9/29/17 - 2:32:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
It seems the US is landing supplies at the ports and leaving the local authorities to sort it out.

Many roads are still impassable.
19 days ago - Friday 9/29/17 - 2:34:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/29/17 - 2:32:30 PM Boredofu wrote:
It seems the US is landing supplies at the ports and leaving the local authorities to sort it out. Many roads are still impassable.

Exactly that. Stuff is stuck in ports because the government hasn’t sent the air support necessary to get it to inland towns that are inaccessible by road.
19 days ago - Friday 9/29/17 - 2:45:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
The US apparently has sent ships and aircraft to PR, but until airfields are cleared and reopened, it's still a problem getting supplies to the smaller inland towns...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/26/polit...
19 days ago - Friday 9/29/17 - 3:20:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
Part of the problem is it’s all far too little, and far too late.
There was very little pre-mobilization (which helps in things like moving people in areas that are likely to be cut off, to shelters where food and water and medical care can be distributed later).
The general in charge of Katrina response (not “heckuva job Brownie,” the guy who actually did a GOOD job) has been extremely critical of this response, and said they are critically understaffed on the island right now, and don’t have anywhere near the military resources that a disaster of this scale would require.

Not to mention, the Comfort deployment should have already happened…it’s not like the storm came out of nowhere and was unexpected. But no, nine days later and it’s still in Norfolk, and people are unable to get life-saving services like dialysis.
19 days ago - Friday 9/29/17 - 3:26:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
Like, guess who’s supposed to be there, helping get roads cleared and airfields operable again? Military transportation specialists.
Guess who isn’t there in near the numbers they should be in order to accomplish that?

I mean ffs, the president JUST appointed a military overseer for PR hurricane relief efforts. As in yesterday. His job exists year-round, but Trump hadn’t bothered to put anyone in it, ahead of hurricane season. And it took eight days AFTER the SECOND major hurricane hit PR for him to do it.

If you can’t see how incredibly, frustratingly inadequate this all has been, I don’t know how to help you understand.
19 days ago - Friday 9/29/17 - 3:34:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
Could any of this be because this is the third major hurricane to hit in a relatively short timeframe?

I'm sure you don't want to let a disaster go to waste when political points can be scored, but resources are finite...

19 days ago - Friday 9/29/17 - 3:42:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/29/17 - 2:45:47 PM CowDung wrote:
The US apparently has sent ships and aircraft to PR, but until airfields are cleared and reopened, it's still a problem getting supplies to the smaller inland towns... [link]


Maybe the government should have a military force specifically dedicated to the air.

I bet they, if only they existed, could get airfields up and running.

As for communications they taught me how to set up a satellite to get internet in the field. I was a cook. It’s not some terribly difficult thing to do. The equipment is fairly compact and could easily be sling loaded on a helicopter and put in remote areas with a small team to operate it. They would need a small generator delivered as well, then set up tents with computers.

19 days ago - Friday 9/29/17 - 3:45:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
This is not f*cking political; it’s life-and-death. My friend’s family MIGHT, MAYBE be able to get her off-Island tomorrow, but only if they can somehow get in touch with her to tell her she has a ticket, which is proving impossible because now even the landlines are failing. And if they can’t get her off, who knows what will happen because there’s no f*cking water in her town last we knew, and nobody getting it there because nobody’s cleared any roads, because there’s about 1/5 of the military response that’s needed, according to experts.
But yeah, I’m just trying to score points here. F*ck you.
19 days ago - Friday 9/29/17 - 3:51:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/29/17 - 3:34:25 PM CowDung wrote:
Could any of this be because this is the third major hurricane to hit in a relatively short timeframe? I'm sure you don't want to let a disaster go to waste when political points can be scored, but resources are finite...


I hear you on this point. If anything I feel we were ill prepared to handle a large number disasters at one time from the civilian side.

Military how ever should be operationally prepared to deploy on a moments notice and they get plenty of operational funds.

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