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New Orleans begins the removal of Confederate monuments

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3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 11:55:24 AM EST (GMT-5)
http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orle...

Early Monday morning crews removed New Orleans' Liberty Place monument commemorating the failed rebellion of a white supremacist militia, the first of four statues slated to be taken from their public perches.

The unannounced removal marks the beginning of the end of a debate that has roiled the city in the nearly two years since Mayor Mitch Landrieu called for the removal of the monument to the Battle of Liberty Place and more prominent statues of Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and P.G.T. Beauregard and Confederate President Jefferson Davis.

The statue will be stored in a city warehouse until a museum or park can be found where it can be placed in its proper context, city officials have said.
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 11:57:03 AM EST (GMT-5)
The other statues are expected to be taken down soon, as city officials announced early Monday they had secured the private funds needed for the job. However, the Landrieu administration said it would not give advance notice of those removals and did not provide details on who provided that money, how much was donated, how the ultimate fate of the statues would be or how the city would choose new monuments to replace them.




anytime I go down to the quarter, I park by this particular monument and I legitiemately had no clue it was a monument to white supremacists
I barely even noticed it most of the time
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 11:58:18 AM EST (GMT-5)
but mah huritage
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 12:09:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
Ancestors who fought and died for the Confederacy literally IS mah huritage and I still think this stuff belongs in museums, not context-free public displays.
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 12:16:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
I just hope they replace these with something
it would suck to just have a big empty plinth in the middle of a roundabout or park


I haven't seen a single defense of these monuments that were legitimate
at best there is racist subtext, but most of the time it's just straight up racist
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 12:16:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
I can't live with out that monument. How dare they.
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 12:22:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 4/24/17 - 12:16:49 PM Disappears wrote:
I just hope they replace these with something it would suck to just have a big empty plinth in the middle of a roundabout or park I haven't seen a single defense of these monuments that were legitimate at best there is racist subtext, but most of the time it's just straight up racist


Isn't your 'it sucks to have a big empty plinth in the middle of a roundabout or park' a legitimate defense that doesn't have a racist subtext?
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 12:24:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yeah, I don't like that there are some empty walls in my place. Better hang some Nazi imagery on them.
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 12:26:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
yeah, no
you can just put something else there that's not celebrating rebels and slave owners and you then have no empty plinths
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 12:33:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 4/24/17 - 12:26:17 PM Disappears wrote:
yeah, no you can just put something else there that's not celebrating rebels and slave owners and you then have no empty plinths


Sure, but as you mentioned earlier, the monument wasn't all that noticeable and it apparently isn't known to be a monument to white supremacists to the casual observer- - why not wait until a replacement is ready before removing it?
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 12:39:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't know what their plans are for the major monuments of lee, davis and beauregard
but the one they just took down is not exactly in an area where something needs to replace it

it's just behind a building along the tracks and not at all prominent


and I don't see any reason to wait for replacements
carpe diem
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 12:51:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
Why not wait until you have something valid to say before spamming up the forum with predicable empty-headed waffle?

We have a situation in London with the most prominent place for military statues, Trafalger Square. Dedicated to Amdmiral Nelson who is perched upom a huge centtral column there are 4 addional plinths which have an odd choice of other "heroes" 2 have Army leaders from forgotten wars that few people have ever heard of.and one has a Statue of George IV (The "Stupid Princee" of Wales from the Blackadder series) There have been suggestions to replace them. The 4th plinth has beed used in recent years to display farious contemporary scultures.

The problem with replacing these lesser known figures is that whatever personalities replace them there will be some objection from somewhere that it is glorifying some ancient act of violent colonialism.
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 12:54:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
It would seem like the city is more concerned with putting the staues somewhere else than stressing about finding replacements. Perhaps future events will provide the solution to that.
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 1:05:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 4/24/17 - 12:26:17 PM Disappears wrote:
yeah, no you can just put something else there that's not celebrating rebels and slave owners and you then have no empty plinths
On Monday 4/24/17 - 12:33:31 PM CowDung wrote:
Sure, but as you mentioned earlier, the monument wasn't all that noticeable and it apparently isn't known to be a monument to white supremacists to the casual observer- - why not wait until a replacement is ready before removing it?

Yes, why not leave this monument up until a replacement is ready? I mean I can't see the problem here.


3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 1:08:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
^ Hahahahaha wtf
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 1:09:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
haha holy sh-t
I had no idea it was so overt

but I guess back in the 1800s you didn't need to hide white supremacy under the guise of heritage
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 1:11:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 4/24/17 - 12:33:31 PM CowDung wrote:
Sure, but as you mentioned earlier, the monument wasn't all that noticeable and it apparently isn't known to be a monument to white supremacists to the casual observer- - why not wait until a replacement is ready before removing it?
On Monday 4/24/17 - 1:05:14 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Yes, why not leave this monument up until a replacement is ready? I mean I can't see the problem here. [image]


From Disappears' description of the monument in question, it didn't seem like the average person knows anything about it.

It's been up for how many years already? What's it going to hurt to leave it for a couple more months?

3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 1:11:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
that seems like an interesting historical thing
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 1:16:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 4/24/17 - 1:11:25 PM skyfish wrote:
that seems like an interesting historical thing


I agree. Glad we have pictures of it and it can be removed.
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 1:18:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
it'll continue to be a historical thing in a museum
no worries
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 1:21:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 4/24/17 - 12:33:31 PM CowDung wrote:
More drivel

3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 1:39:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
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On Monday 4/24/17 - 1:11:06 PM CowDung wrote:
From Disappears' description of the monument in question, it didn't seem like the average person knows anything about it. It's been up for how many years already? What's it going to hurt to leave it for a couple more months?

The average person could go up to the monument and read exactly what I posted. Just because not everyone does doesn't mean it shouldn't be removed.
There are a bunch of monuments in my hometown, some of which I'd have to look at again to tell you what they were about. That doesn't mean that if one of them were hypothetically a monument to white supremacy, it should be allowed to stay up just because I didn't know about it until now.
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 1:41:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be removed. I'm saying that I don't think it's necessary to remove it before a replacement is ready, given the fact that the average person doesn't seem to have a sense of awareness about the monument.

3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 1:42:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's always fun how quick you (and others) are to dismiss anecdotal evidence when it doesn't suit you, and take the word of one YTer as gold when it does.
3 months ago - Monday 4/24/17 - 1:47:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
That does seem to be the way of YT, doesn't it?

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